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Your LIMS Product Selection Tips


The following is a list of product selection tips that came from you, the "Out on a LIMS™" newsletter subscribers.

The tips are published in the order that they were received. Thank you to all of you who took the time to share your tips with the rest of the newsletter readers. You'll notice that Bruce Hogle's name shows up twice. That's because he initially sent me such good tips on this subject that I decided to cull the expertise of the entire list in order to share even more good tips. Then, he sent in more tips once I sent out the survey. Thank you to Bruce for sparking this idea.

I required respondents to give at least their name, but some have also given some information about themselves in order to allow you, the reader, to have a point of reference with regard to their views.

Statement: This collection represents every non-anonymous response. Although I reformatted the text and fixed a few spelling errors, I did not otherwise modify these responses. I neither claim to agree with these responses nor to disagree. I did not attempt to collate these responses, and there is occasional repetition. Additionally, there are a few responses that might contradict each other.

Gloria Metrick
GeoMetrick Enterprises


First of all, make every effort to ask a question the vendor cannot answer "yes" or "no". Instead ask, "How can X be accomplished?", forcing the vendor to elaborate, at least a little. Then when the vendor responds (sometimes too briefly &/or with terminology you don't understand or that is vague), ask the follow-up question "How can X+1 be accomplished?". Be prepared to ask "How" follow-up questions at least five times to ensure you've drilled down to the heart of the matter. Along with this, we need to be aware when we're talking with a salesperson what their objective is (the sale) which is different than our objective (to understand the vendor's product before buying it). It may require bringing in a technical person from the vendor to help bridge that communication/knowledge gap.

This is advice I had been given or had read years ago, and have found works very well for me. I sometimes feel pretty stupid having to ask & ask questions, but it's much better to suffer a little short term embarrassment than to end up with a product or system that doesn't meet, or requires a great deal of extra resources to meet, your needs. Often times the communication gap occurs because the salesperson subconsciously assumes you know what he/she knows, so they don't provide the details you require initially. Here to, a few "How" questions may help them recognize they need to be more complete in their answers, and they may begin to provide more info with you having to ask so many "How do we get X done?" questions. And if it turns out the vendor is in fact misleading or even out-and-out lying to you, it will likely become very obvious after a few "How" questions; then you can decide if you really want to deal with them or not.
Bruce Hogle
Pfizer Inc, retired
Sr Lab Systems Analyst - LIMS & CDAS Administrator



I would certainly investigate the support group of any potential LIMS vendor and what kind of support they offer during and after implementation. This would include how they handle bug reporting and fixing as well as how they handle upgrades to their software. LIMS is rarely a turn key system, so I find a quality support team from the vendor a "must have."
Denise Buckingham
LIMS Consultant
Covex, LLC



Always have in mind what you need to report from a LIMS. This will ensure that the basics are met.
Mike Hatton
Consultant



Insist on a configured demo with some critical issues that are specific to your business included in the demo - verify anything a sales person tells you!

Carefully determine what market segment you fit into (e.g., small lab, world-wide, networked concern), so that you pick from the appropriate system choices

Spend time, then more time, on the planning end, in this case on defining User Requirements
Bruce Hogle
Pfizer Inc, retired
Sr Lab Systems Analyst - LIMS & CDAS Administrator



Here is a bullet proof way to select a new LIMS:
Heinz H. Freier, M.Sc.
Vice President Process Industry
IBS AG -www.ibg-ag.com - heinz.freier@ibs-ag.com
In the LIMS industry since 1988



Have your requirements written down and signed off by the business owners before you start a selection. Provide use cases to the vendors ahead of time that exemplify your expected process. This should allow you to compare and contrast vendors on a level playing field and minimize the risk to your org when the implementation starts.
Jon Walker
LabWare



Set up a User Requirements document before looking at systems. A "Road Map" is important in setting the path going forwards, and finding out what is needed can be a big step in determining a system. Get input from all stakeholders (or as many as you can). A system without buy-in from the stakeholders may wind up being a failure. Keeping people apprised of how the project is going is important for a LIMS setup. A Proof of Concept can be helpful in finding whether a product will fit the organization's needs, and to actually see the product in use. A "Road Map" detailing the long range plans for a LIMS system can give an indication on how to roll out the product, and also which code will need to be customized for the organization. Depending on use, a transfer strategy for old data may be needed. Do you need to keep an older LIMS system in place, while getting a new instance? The LIMS company itself is also something to consider. LIMS support, company history, and financials should be looked at, and especially the LIMS company's long term strategy.
Anthony Romeo
DBA/LIMS Administrator
Monsanto



Get the users involved from the very beginning of the project. The URS Catch 22: Many users don't know what are the full capabilities of a LIMS; how then can they provide their requirements? Give product demos and information to the users early on in the selection/development stage.
Daniel J. Ferreira



Daniel G. Brown
Group Manager, Laboratory Services
Hormel Foods Corporate Services, LLC
Austin, MN 55912
507-437-5812
dgbrown@hormel.com



Think about what you want in an ideal system. Don't artificially place limits on your requirements based on your current processes and/or system. After getting all your requirements, rate them as must have, nice to have, wish list.
Bert Fong
LIMS Consultant
BBF Consultants



Mark Bek



Richard J. Maguire, Ph.D.
Director, Translational Research Program Management
Roswell Park Cancer Institute



Is the LIMS capable of customization to fulfill exactly the needs of my laboratories? I definitely would check this with any vendor of choice and would ask them to show me at least one or two of my special needs.
Manfred Göbl Senior Analyst
Mundipharma Research GmbH & Co. KG
Limburg, Germany



Many LIMS evaluations today fall into IT Sponsorship. We find more and more of these evaluations are driven by IT requirements irrespective of the functional requirements of the organization. Functional requirements should be the primary driver.

My main advice is to get references for operations with requirements similar to yours. Make sure the references are running the same version of the application you are evaluating. Don't accept a reference that is running a previous version of the application. Be specific - many application are the same in name but version differences make them completely different applications. Make sure the application you intend to implement is proven to work for your needs.
John Newtown
LabWare



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